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and michigan was considered the cradle of unionism. so, you know, unions are under assault. not just in the private sector, chris, but the public sector unions. remember, right to work yesterday has effected the entire public sector union movement. and that's where most of the membership and growth has been in the union movement in the last decade or two. >> okay. it's great having you on. bill, i hear you're a great reporter. and mr. geiss, good luck on your career. >>> one of those on the far right richard mourdock is still pointing fingers after losing the senate race in indiana. sounds like sore loser. this is "hardball" the place for politics. [ male announcer ] feeling like a shadow of your former self? c'mon, michael! get in the game! [ male announcer ] don't have the hops for hoops with your buddies? lost your appetite for romance? and your mood is on its way down. you might not just be getting older. you might have a treatable condition called low testosterone or low t. millions of men, forty-five or older, may have low t. so talk to your doctor about low t. hey, mi
and michigan was considered the cradle of unionism. so, you know, unions are under assault. not just in the private sector, chris, but the public sector unions. remember, right to work yesterday has effected the entire public sector union movement. and that's where most of the membership and growth has been in the union movement in the last decade or two. >> okay. it's great having you on. bill, i hear you're a great reporter. and mr. geiss, good luck on your career. >>> one of...
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and that's how unions -- that's how unions survive. and thrive. so, yeah. this is going to be something that we're going to be talking about tomorrow and in the months and probably years to come. i can't remember who said it to you earlier. also, in the program today that, you know, michigan could be the model for the country. >> something that the uaw and its supporters do not want to take place. jonathan, of course we don't know whether tomorrow's the day when we have a resolution of the fiscal cliff. kent conrad said earlier it's too soon and involve -- permit too much time for the advocates to take time at it. thank you very much. we'll talk to you tomorrow i hope. that does it for this edition. tomorrow we have a big show. congresswoman rogers, chair of the house republican conference, former obama foreign policy adviser, former pentagon advis r adviser, "the washington post" eugene robinson and oliver stone. tamron hall is right here. >> hey there, andrea. great to be in d.c. an it is your town. we'll talk about when's happening. another town, michiga
and that's how unions -- that's how unions survive. and thrive. so, yeah. this is going to be something that we're going to be talking about tomorrow and in the months and probably years to come. i can't remember who said it to you earlier. also, in the program today that, you know, michigan could be the model for the country. >> something that the uaw and its supporters do not want to take place. jonathan, of course we don't know whether tomorrow's the day when we have a resolution of...
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. >> union busting is disgusting! (laughter). >> jon: dude, you're from michigan, detroit, "8 mile." you've got to come up with better rhymes that busting-disgusting if you want to win the khraoe climactic rap. you have to put effort into it. (laughter) (cheers and applause) look, you have one job at one factory, when you seize every benefit you could, yo, our palms are sweaty, knees week, arms heavy, working in a factory all day building chevys, like the volt, you plug it in, and then you win -- ecologically, because if it was an actual race you would not -- actually. you've got to dues collect for the unions oro bahts are going to come and take away our jobs or to the chinese kids with the tiny hands to work and go -- ♪ this of ha tunety comes once in a lifetime note? note yo! (cheers and applause) you know what i realized? if i perform my hoff-torah a as bad as that i would owe my relatives money. for more we go to aasif mandvi in michigan and jason jones in indiana. there's not much kpet advantage in doing somet
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neil: why should they be unionize? why is it a given everyone be part of a union? >> if a majority people don't then there is no union neil: i thought you have no choice? >> but if the majority being represented did not want to me they could vote to leave the union. neil: easier said than done. many have said it will follow the same trajectory. >> in indiana the results have been fantastic. that is what the states need indiana gets it. it will be beneficial to the people of the argument as against those the represent. neil: of south carolina is right to work with 10 percent unemployment. >> right to work states have a much better economic record the those divorces union. south carolina is doing well. they make the world class airliners private sector job growth is being created. >> it is a sneak attack they tried to get this done but i the line. the governor was right when he said it is not appropriate. neil: think you both for your time. getting the nobel peace prize and what is the fuss? isn't this a preview? for many, nexium helps relieve heartburn symptoms caus
neil: why should they be unionize? why is it a given everyone be part of a union? >> if a majority people don't then there is no union neil: i thought you have no choice? >> but if the majority being represented did not want to me they could vote to leave the union. neil: easier said than done. many have said it will follow the same trajectory. >> in indiana the results have been fantastic. that is what the states need indiana gets it. it will be beneficial to the people of...
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, have to belong to a union. bill: how many years has this previous law been on the books? >> it's been on since i, years. i mean --. bill: 1960s? 1950s? >> i don't know the exact law. ever since i've been alive it's been on the books. bill: the reason i ask that, you know what happened in wisconsin. they did something similar. they were successful. indiana same story. ohio, not so much. they went the same route michigan did. year later it was put on the ballot as referendum and it was thrown out of the will this meet the same fate? >> i sure hope not. i sure hope that michigan comes together after this and realizes we're all in this. it is all about jobs and being competitive. not only with the world but also our neighboring states. indiana has a right to work law. a couple of months ago, about a year ago. and they found that 7 -- 74 new projects were put on the books as a result because they have a great working environment and that is first till to create jobs. bill: what i'm reading here this is considered an
, have to belong to a union. bill: how many years has this previous law been on the books? >> it's been on since i, years. i mean --. bill: 1960s? 1950s? >> i don't know the exact law. ever since i've been alive it's been on the books. bill: the reason i ask that, you know what happened in wisconsin. they did something similar. they were successful. indiana same story. ohio, not so much. they went the same route michigan did. year later it was put on the ballot as referendum and it...
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this now makes it illegal to force any workers to join a union or perhaps more importantly, pay union dues in order to get a job. thousands of angry crowds have been outside of the state capitol all day long. this has been the scene. poppy harlow has been in the middle of it all. she joins me now on "outfront." the governor has decided to talk about this. what has he said this means for his state? >> reporter: well, i joined the governor tonight for an interview after this legislation was passed, really right before, minutes before he signed it into law. this is critical because as you said, it means people won't have to be part of a union. all those auto workers in michigan, all the public school teachers, who normally have to pay into the union. likely we will see fewer union members, less money, less power for these unions at the bargaining table. that's the crux of this. the governor insisting to me in our one-on-one interview that this is an opportunity to quote, stand up for the rights of workers, also telling me that he thinks this is in the best interest of michiganders. let's
this now makes it illegal to force any workers to join a union or perhaps more importantly, pay union dues in order to get a job. thousands of angry crowds have been outside of the state capitol all day long. this has been the scene. poppy harlow has been in the middle of it all. she joins me now on "outfront." the governor has decided to talk about this. what has he said this means for his state? >> reporter: well, i joined the governor tonight for an interview after this...
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, and the unions cannot stop it. tracy: they brought down, the auto industry, and the airlines and heck baseball at one point is, this the beginning of the end? >> this is a long train wreck for the unions right now, this is -- when you think about michigan the pillar of unions, and this particular state, not passing a constitutional amendment that would ave been, great for the unions then losing this particular initiative. the news is not good for the union workers right now. tracy: and james, tech industries, you see you know, you don't see bill gates or steve jobs, while still alive, working for union workers, the world is changing a little bit, is it still necessary? >> that is the problem that the unions have, they have not changed fundamentally how they represent workers since the 1930s, but the economy has changed. look at union contracts, all senior tie based promotions and pancases. you want performance reviews, and performance based pays and the union makes name possible. tracy: thank you for your sights. >
, and the unions cannot stop it. tracy: they brought down, the auto industry, and the airlines and heck baseball at one point is, this the beginning of the end? >> this is a long train wreck for the unions right now, this is -- when you think about michigan the pillar of unions, and this particular state, not passing a constitutional amendment that would ave been, great for the unions then losing this particular initiative. the news is not good for the union workers right now. tracy: and...
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in a good union maybe 60%, 70% of the workers will voluntarily give dues to the union. that's in a union shop where they're very active. that's in most right-to-work states. so i think what you're going to see in michigan as you look at the uaw it has 150,000 members in michigan. i think they're going to lose about 50,000 members. i mean my best-case scenario, what that translates to is a loss of $30 to $40 million a year in dus revenue. it hurts the ability of the uaw to do things and is losing $30 to $40 million they'll be spending tens of millions to refill this later. >> eliot: one of the things that mystified me about the bill signed into law today why are cops and firefighters excluded. why is this good for workers? did he carve out the two unions that are friendlier to the republican party than any other? >> yeah, i mean cops and firefighters unions tend to be friendlier to the republican party. the police union i endorsed bush several times. cops and firefighters tend to be friendlier to republicans although many of them are solid democrats as well. so i think t
in a good union maybe 60%, 70% of the workers will voluntarily give dues to the union. that's in a union shop where they're very active. that's in most right-to-work states. so i think what you're going to see in michigan as you look at the uaw it has 150,000 members in michigan. i think they're going to lose about 50,000 members. i mean my best-case scenario, what that translates to is a loss of $30 to $40 million a year in dus revenue. it hurts the ability of the uaw to do things and is...
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so, this creates an environment where people can say, they are choosing to join a union because the unions put a value proposition to make it worthwhile and if they are not providing value someone should be forced to choose so i view this as pro worker legislation. >>neil: governor, this woman's remarks went viral soon after she said them, a council woman in detroit talking about the post obama election envice president, i am sure you are familiar, but if you are not, please respond to this. >> after the election of jimmy carter, we had young and he went to washington, dc and he came back home with some bacon. young did. that is what you do. that is what you do. our people in an overwhelmingly matter supported the re-election of this president and there ought be to a quid pro quo and we ought to exercise leadership on that. not just that, but why not? >>neil: what do you thing 1/2? >>guest: it is unfortunate. that is one council woman's comments. a challenge in detroit the city council and the mayor have not been on the same page. they are running out of time. they have been in a financial
so, this creates an environment where people can say, they are choosing to join a union because the unions put a value proposition to make it worthwhile and if they are not providing value someone should be forced to choose so i view this as pro worker legislation. >>neil: governor, this woman's remarks went viral soon after she said them, a council woman in detroit talking about the post obama election envice president, i am sure you are familiar, but if you are not, please respond to...
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it allows union workers to opt out of paying union dues even if they're not in the union. stephen moore, "wall street journal." who would be next? >> there are a number of states neighbors to michigan really looking at this legislation. i'll name a few to you, bill. pennsylvania, ohio, west virgina, states like that are competing against southern states. remember a lot of jobs and a lot of manufacturing has moved from the midwest, the kind of rust belt of america to the south in part because those southern states are right-to-work. can i mention one other thing if i could, bill, about this issue that is important? bill: sure. >> there is so much misinformation what it means to be a right-to-work state. i want your viewers to know this, if you're a right-to-work state it does not ban unions, bill. simply means that workers who work for a unionized company have the right as an individual to join the union or not. it does not ban unions. bill: to be more specific, if you're not a member of a union, in michigan you're required to pay union dues. >> that is exactly right. bill:
it allows union workers to opt out of paying union dues even if they're not in the union. stephen moore, "wall street journal." who would be next? >> there are a number of states neighbors to michigan really looking at this legislation. i'll name a few to you, bill. pennsylvania, ohio, west virgina, states like that are competing against southern states. remember a lot of jobs and a lot of manufacturing has moved from the midwest, the kind of rust belt of america to the south in...
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back was broken by a bunch of thug cops who hated unions. now, all i want to say to those guys there are a lot of you out there who have done remarkable work for the workers in the country. do not take what you heard here. it's not people who understand all your history. there is no reason to have to. >> greg: you can bring that up to negate any criticism of the union to commit violence against innocent people. well done. >> eric: we have to go. that is if it for "the five." thank you for watching. >> dana: on that note. >> greg: unbelievable. >> bret: good evening. i'm bret baier. this is a fox news alert. tonight, michigan, the home of the american automobile industry, state that has been dominated by big labor unions, is now a right to work state. michigan's republican governor has just signed a bill in to law ending union ability to force workers to pay dues. february they are not in the union. democrats are predicting a warning of blood in the streets. here is what the governor said moments ago about why he supported the legislation. >>
back was broken by a bunch of thug cops who hated unions. now, all i want to say to those guys there are a lot of you out there who have done remarkable work for the workers in the country. do not take what you heard here. it's not people who understand all your history. there is no reason to have to. >> greg: you can bring that up to negate any criticism of the union to commit violence against innocent people. well done. >> eric: we have to go. that is if it for "the...
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middle class when they did everything they could to prevent the middle class from being created by unions. host: take us one month into the future and what you think will happen until the next couple of weeks? caller: i have no idea. i hope that obama sticks to his principles. i think they should leave medicaid, medicare, and social security alone. we have a very bulleted defense budget that needs to be cut. eisenhower warned us a denture his final address that the military-industrial complex would destroy this country. that is where the cuts should come from. host: thank you for the call. a few programming notes for you today. james taylor will be at the national press club at 1:00. the singer-songwriter and guitarist will be talking about election reform at the national press club. you can catch that live on c- span and c-span radio. also, live at 7:00 p.m. at the university of virginia, mark warner sponsoring legislation to allow highly skilled immigrants into the united states. he will discuss his proposal at a forum hosted by the university of virginia at 7:00 p.m. right here on c-sp
middle class when they did everything they could to prevent the middle class from being created by unions. host: take us one month into the future and what you think will happen until the next couple of weeks? caller: i have no idea. i hope that obama sticks to his principles. i think they should leave medicaid, medicare, and social security alone. we have a very bulleted defense budget that needs to be cut. eisenhower warned us a denture his final address that the military-industrial complex...
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in the state that might be most associated with unions, michigan. organized labor groups have called for a day of action and are expecting thousands to descend on the capital. as the state legislature reconvenes for what is final work to right bill. the latest in the midwest, a as we remember scott walker pushed legislation through his state house that pushed employee. john kasich's efforts to curve collective bargaining was only stopped when voters reversed the law through a ballot initiative, but conservatives haven't managed to get a right to work law passed in either state. republicans in michigan are using indiana as their model where governor mitch daniel got a right to work law passed earlier this year. rick schneider said it would boost business in his state. >> indiana's a good illustration. they did this last february. they found at least 90 different companies cited this as a factor when they contacted the indiana economic corporation and they have at least 30 that have moved ahead with projects. >> until very recentrecently scr appealed
in the state that might be most associated with unions, michigan. organized labor groups have called for a day of action and are expecting thousands to descend on the capital. as the state legislature reconvenes for what is final work to right bill. the latest in the midwest, a as we remember scott walker pushed legislation through his state house that pushed employee. john kasich's efforts to curve collective bargaining was only stopped when voters reversed the law through a ballot initiative,...
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"unions deliver a blow." with a look at what is happening in michigan, thousands of union supporters turned out on the steps of the capitol to protest right to work measures. the measure passed. taking a look at the front page of "the detroit free press," "the law that is not over." "unions will not go down without a fight. recall efforts and legal challenges are possible." there you can see a union representative struggling with michigan state police yesterday over right to work legislation. here is the story -- host: "the washington post" has a map of right to work law states. "the wall street journal" take a look -- takes a look at which states are the most union heavy. the biggest ones are new york, alaska, hawaii, and washington. michigan comes right in behind washington. which is why "the wall street journal" goes with the headline that this is a blow in a particularly union dominated state. looking at some other news, this one out of the south, for "the new york times," "the gop control in north caroli
"unions deliver a blow." with a look at what is happening in michigan, thousands of union supporters turned out on the steps of the capitol to protest right to work measures. the measure passed. taking a look at the front page of "the detroit free press," "the law that is not over." "unions will not go down without a fight. recall efforts and legal challenges are possible." there you can see a union representative struggling with michigan state police...
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this is about the relationship between unions and workers. >> if enough workers opt out of the unions the union's bargaining power goes down it's weaker. that's what mr. obama is trying to it say. why is to the state's advantage very specifically. why is it to the state's advantage to have a right-to-work law to give workers the option of going into a union or not? >> well, they both go together. if you step back at your comment it is important to recognize that unions could be weaker but why would they be weaker? it's because they are not showing value to the workers. this is very much about two there are two reasons to do this. the first one is to be pro-worker. this is about freedom to choose. workers should have the option if they are seeing value, they should be excited to join a union and they should join. if they see no value why should they put financial resources to do something that has no value to them. that's a big part of it. standing up for workers. the second piece and to your point specifically, it's about more and better jobs for michigan. just look at indiana that di
this is about the relationship between unions and workers. >> if enough workers opt out of the unions the union's bargaining power goes down it's weaker. that's what mr. obama is trying to it say. why is to the state's advantage very specifically. why is it to the state's advantage to have a right-to-work law to give workers the option of going into a union or not? >> well, they both go together. if you step back at your comment it is important to recognize that unions could be...
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the bill strips unions of power in the state. tomorrow protesters are planning to invade the state capital in lansing. that's where we find dave spencer with an update. dave? >> state police are estimating 10,000 protesters when the sun comes up. they've closed streets out around the capitol, restricting park around here. some of the schools in metro detroit will be closing so that teachers representing the teacher union will have a chance to come down to lansing to be one of those 10,000 having their voices heard. what the right to work bill will do will essentially make it an option for an employee to join a union and still get those benefits. supporters say that will be good for michigan, bringing in business, while opponents say while it may bring in business employee wages will be brought down due to collective bargaining. this controversy started when the governor, governor rick snyder, said for a bill comes across his desk, he will sign it. that prompted the house and senate to begin their legislation, bringing out protest
the bill strips unions of power in the state. tomorrow protesters are planning to invade the state capital in lansing. that's where we find dave spencer with an update. dave? >> state police are estimating 10,000 protesters when the sun comes up. they've closed streets out around the capitol, restricting park around here. some of the schools in metro detroit will be closing so that teachers representing the teacher union will have a chance to come down to lansing to be one of those 10,000...
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i don't view it as anti-union. they are more proactive to presenting it to workers and say they should want to join it be part of it. this is first and foremost about worker choice. and second thing it is about economic development. we've watched what has gone on in indiana since they passed similar legislation and they have seen a significant increase in the numbers of companies talking about thousands of jobs to their state. first about workers choice but more about more and better jobs for our people. it's positive legislation for the state. >> it was not parts of your original aany da and it's being done in the lame duck. i suppose that's an issue that -- that the people are asking for, why wasn't it part of your original agenda and why did you wait for the lame duck? >> if you think about it, over 80% of workers don't have this issue. they aren't unionized so it applies in michigan to about 17.5% of our workforce. that's significant but most people don't have it as an issue. if you look where michigan was at,
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union thugs beat the crap out of people -- >> bob: union thugs? >> eric: and teachers are -- >> greg: what do you call dish >> dana: you call people scabs and you are upset someone says union thugs? >> andrea: how can you have it both ways? you are a tough group that put the giant inflatable rafts in front of the construction projects or nonunion construction par projects across the country or you're now a little victim who can't help themselves and everyone else is -- you're a big group that go on people's houses in wall street and bully those people and trespass. and overwhelm them and -- >> bob: wall street does that. >> andrea: where are the unions? >> dana: the unions did have an effective and important role in past. but i also think that other -- as companies have had to evolve, the unions need to evolve as well. they are getting terrible advice right now and there are ways to work with the governor, what only has their best interest in mind. what else does he want? why else would he do it? why? why? >> eric: >> bob: it brings people in to t
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via union deals. david: why do you think the bills are necessary? >> for me we looked at the state of michigan and only state in the nation that lost population in the last census. i went off and did analysis and charted looking where everybody is going? when you look at the census data by almost three to one margin they're going to right to work states. and so that was a pretty compelling argument. when indiana passed their right to work law we looked whether or not there was direct causality right to work and creation of jobs and indiana was in the first six months of passing right to work legislation have 74 new or expansion existing projects in the state, leading to thousands of jobs and millions of dollars in investment. david: well, in fact that's true for the whole country. unemployment is always lower in those states that have right to work laws. we've done national surveys and it's true by about a full percentage point, is it not? >> right. well the top seven in regards to unemployment rates
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you have a great union there. is this right to work thing really going to hurt your union and kill the esprit de corps of the union workers? why would this hurt them? >> i don't think it will in the uaw. we have great membership loyalty. the problem is it's just the first step. we have watch nt this state right wing legislatures pass laws to take away the collective bargaining rights from public sector employees on health care and pensions. they did a petty vindictive law that took away the right to deuce deductions for teachers. that's why we're fighting here today, we want to stop this before they try it take away the rights of private sector workers to bargain over wages or pensions or health care. this is about democracy and about america. also want to say for economic development, governor snyder was just bragging yesterday 144,000 jobs since he's been governor. most of those created by the auto industry through collective bargaining. we sat down with ford, general motors, and chrysler, our in my opinion made
you have a great union there. is this right to work thing really going to hurt your union and kill the esprit de corps of the union workers? why would this hurt them? >> i don't think it will in the uaw. we have great membership loyalty. the problem is it's just the first step. we have watch nt this state right wing legislatures pass laws to take away the collective bargaining rights from public sector employees on health care and pensions. they did a petty vindictive law that took away...
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unions there can no longer force workers to pay union dues. but forbes says according to a new survey right to work states have a clear advantage. they show all but one of the top ten states have right to work laws the exception colorado. the rankings for the third straight year. they attribute that to corporate taxes. the pro business regulatory climate and north dakota moves up to number 3 after having the most economic growth after the last five years. the top ten expanded their economies 1.7 percent during the tough years between torques 6 and 2011 the economies contracted an average of .1 percent of the year during that time. all but mississippi do not have the right to work laws. they have economic growth forecast. for most improved that goes to indiana which jumped 16 spots this year that is interesting because they became a right to work state. >> diane macedo from the fox business network. 15 minutes before the hour. one of the major issues facing the fiscal cliff entitlement programs. and now some of them are at their highest levels
unions there can no longer force workers to pay union dues. but forbes says according to a new survey right to work states have a clear advantage. they show all but one of the top ten states have right to work laws the exception colorado. the rankings for the third straight year. they attribute that to corporate taxes. the pro business regulatory climate and north dakota moves up to number 3 after having the most economic growth after the last five years. the top ten expanded their economies...
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in fact, i don't view it as anti-union, but the unions to accept up and why they add values to workers when workers see the value, sign up, and if you don't, hopefully unions are more responsive. secondly, it brings jobs to michigan, more and better jobs to the state. david: well, when you have the president of the united states misdescribing it, according to you, that could possibly be one of the reasons why tempers have become inflamed. we have some people calling for blood or using that rhetoric, state representative doug reece talking about that in the legislature. play a sound from that. >> we're going to pass something that will undo a hundred years of labor relations, and there will be blood. david: "there will be blood ," and the mayor saying similar things. any kind of evidence of the coordinated everyday of violence in the state? >> those comments are not proposal. the union has done a lot of things in michigan. the labor movement, the 20s, 30s, and 40s, people flocked to the union because they did great things with wages, working benefits, all of those things, but today, sho
in fact, i don't view it as anti-union, but the unions to accept up and why they add values to workers when workers see the value, sign up, and if you don't, hopefully unions are more responsive. secondly, it brings jobs to michigan, more and better jobs to the state. david: well, when you have the president of the united states misdescribing it, according to you, that could possibly be one of the reasons why tempers have become inflamed. we have some people calling for blood or using that...
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to a union just last year and the number of michigan workers who belong to unions down nearly 30% over the past ten years. this is fox news alert, north korea extending the window for a rocket launch in that country that the u.s. believes is a cover for a long-range ballistic missile test. the communist country's state media saying technical i shall ooze delaying the launch for the moment. greg palkot is live in london watching this all weekend, what is the latest now on monday, greg? >> reporter: hey, bill, a technical mess, that is how one expert describes to me the scene of that north korea launch cycle right now. the liftoff of that controversial multistage rocket by yeongpyeong is not going to happen now. it has been delayed maybe a week, maybe more. a new target period could be around christmas week. the initial problems have pw-pbt unseasonably cold temperatures in the area as well as snow. now they are admitting to a problem with the first stage of the rocket, that session apparently has to be replaced. last time they tried to launch something was in april, we were there, it fa
to a union just last year and the number of michigan workers who belong to unions down nearly 30% over the past ten years. this is fox news alert, north korea extending the window for a rocket launch in that country that the u.s. believes is a cover for a long-range ballistic missile test. the communist country's state media saying technical i shall ooze delaying the launch for the moment. greg palkot is live in london watching this all weekend, what is the latest now on monday, greg? >>...
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you would not know it watching the boisterous union protests, but unions are left intact by this new law. as is, the right to collective bargaining. the big victory for worker rights today, the elimination of the power of both public and private unions to demand and a worse dues from workers and the end of union power to force workers to pay what have been mandatory dues. michigan becomes the 24th state to enact right to work laws after legislation passed the state house of representatives and was sent on to governor rick snyder for his signature. protesters of this new law number some 10,000 at today's demonstrations. most league made up of uaw union of the workers, machinists, teachers, sometimes angry crowds that seem to be taking cues from their democratic leaders. one group described by those on the ground as a mob chanting and go home while tearing down a conservative activist group tent. a member of that mob scene right here. this as protesters are heard in the background threatening the police with violence. here he is trying to plead with pro union protesters to be less phys
you would not know it watching the boisterous union protests, but unions are left intact by this new law. as is, the right to collective bargaining. the big victory for worker rights today, the elimination of the power of both public and private unions to demand and a worse dues from workers and the end of union power to force workers to pay what have been mandatory dues. michigan becomes the 24th state to enact right to work laws after legislation passed the state house of representatives and...
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and what this law changes is forced union membership, i repeat, forced union membership. so why is the president, and why are the unions so upset? in this case, it is about the money. specifically union dues, less money, mea less political power, this is the offset to the right to work, the right to power, and the unions think that is their right. other states like idaho and oklahoma pass right-to-work laws their union dues paying membership, those unions, dues pay membership fell by 15%. down 15%. if that happens in michigan, the heritage foundation has come up with estimate to how much the unions in michigan would lose. that number is over $46 million a year in dues. michigan, just one state. nationwide, we're not talking about public employee unions yet. let's do so, nationwide government employee unions collect, are you ready for this number? that is taxpayer money, going in the form of wes to the government class, if you will, public employees receiving and paying $14 billion in dues alone. that is what is at stake here. this is not just about money, it is not just a
and what this law changes is forced union membership, i repeat, forced union membership. so why is the president, and why are the unions so upset? in this case, it is about the money. specifically union dues, less money, mea less political power, this is the offset to the right to work, the right to power, and the unions think that is their right. other states like idaho and oklahoma pass right-to-work laws their union dues paying membership, those unions, dues pay membership fell by 15%. down...
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and michigan was considered the cradle of unionism. so, you know, unions are under assault. not just in the private sector, chris, but the public sector unions. remember, right to work yesterday has effected the entire public sector union movement. and that's where most of the membership and growth has been in the union movement in the last decade or two. >> okay. it's great having you on. bill, i hear you're a great reporter. and mr. geiss, good luck on your career. >>> one of those on the far right richard mourdock is still pointing fingers after losing the senate race in indiana. sounds like sore loser. this is "hardball" the place for politics. new trident layers juicy berry + tangy tangerine is a thrilling, dual-flavored ride to mouth fun-town. but it's not like everyone is going to break into a karaoke jam session. ♪ this will literally probably never happen. stop! stop! stop! come back here! humans -- we are beautifully imperfect creatures living in an imperfect world. that's why liberty mutual insurance has your back with great ideas like our optional better car re
and michigan was considered the cradle of unionism. so, you know, unions are under assault. not just in the private sector, chris, but the public sector unions. remember, right to work yesterday has effected the entire public sector union movement. and that's where most of the membership and growth has been in the union movement in the last decade or two. >> okay. it's great having you on. bill, i hear you're a great reporter. and mr. geiss, good luck on your career. >>> one of...
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this is about the relationship between unions and workers. >> if enough workers opt out of the unions the union's bargaining power goes down it's weaker. that's what mr. obama is trying to it say. why is to the state's advantage very specifically. why is it to the state's advantage to have a right-to-work law to give workers the option of going into a union or not? >> well, they both go together. if you step back at your comment it is important to recognize that unions could be weaker but why would they be weaker? it's because they are not showing value to the workers. this is very much about two there are two reasons to do this. the first one is to be pro-worker. this is about freedom to choose. workers should have the option if they are seeing value, they should be excited to join a union and they should join. if they see no value why should they put financial resources to do something that has no value to them. that's a big part of it. standing up for workers. the second piece and to your point specifically, it's about more and better jobs for michigan. just look at indiana that di
this is about the relationship between unions and workers. >> if enough workers opt out of the unions the union's bargaining power goes down it's weaker. that's what mr. obama is trying to it say. why is to the state's advantage very specifically. why is it to the state's advantage to have a right-to-work law to give workers the option of going into a union or not? >> well, they both go together. if you step back at your comment it is important to recognize that unions could be...
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there is the private union and the public union. >> right. >> greta: and the public-sector union is so vastly different in one respect, you know, lawyers always have to worry about the conflict of interest. but there is something bizarre about a public-sector union, putting somebody in office and then negotiating with that somebody for the person's wages or benefits. >> right. >> greta: public service. there is a horrible conflict of interest that i don't know how it correct t. i just know that it exists because, you know, you are negotiating with the person who put in office. >> exactly. right! they go raise money for this guy, they nominate him and then they elect him. he wins by a few poign points and they want to negotiate the contract, joe, you and i are buddies. let's talk it over. so have you an inherent conflict of interest. the public prb with the public unions, look, we are borrowing 40 cents out of every dollar we spend. mon of the public unions when i wrote by book, the federal government, the pay and benefits combined of the average federal worker were about twice what the
there is the private union and the public union. >> right. >> greta: and the public-sector union is so vastly different in one respect, you know, lawyers always have to worry about the conflict of interest. but there is something bizarre about a public-sector union, putting somebody in office and then negotiating with that somebody for the person's wages or benefits. >> right. >> greta: public service. there is a horrible conflict of interest that i don't know how it...
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something against the unions. i support the unions in many regards. i support their right to organize. i encourage the unions to be very proactive to presenting the best cases as to why someone would be joining a union. >> the governor is dead wrong. when right-to-work laws pass, union membership goes down along with workers' wages. this is part of the republican effort to dismantle the democratic base by union busting. let's bring in lansing mayor virg bernero tonight. good to have you with us. i know you're steaming about this. you just heard what the governor said. he wants to encourage the unions and encourages people to join. what do you make of that? >> please. it's the ultimate doublespeak. democracy is under attack. it's not hyperbolic to say democracy is under attack in michigan. to attack them, they are locking people out of the capital. the people's building. they are using state police. those weren't my police, by the way, who maced folks. they are using state police to block people from entering the t
something against the unions. i support the unions in many regards. i support their right to organize. i encourage the unions to be very proactive to presenting the best cases as to why someone would be joining a union. >> the governor is dead wrong. when right-to-work laws pass, union membership goes down along with workers' wages. this is part of the republican effort to dismantle the democratic base by union busting. let's bring in lansing mayor virg bernero tonight. good to have you...
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so is this the end for unions? joining me now is the the director of labor policy at mack kin gnaw center, who has been at the protests site all day. we have mark brenner, director of labor notes. vinnie, what do you make of what went on today? >> melissa, thanks for having me on. it is absolutely historic. you're talking about the state with the 52-week highest perntage of union members in the country. the birthplace ofhe uaw. for what has been long considered a union strong hold, giving workers the freedom to choose. freedo to choose whether or not to pay a union and still keep their jobs. this will have national ramification. this is very historic day both for michigan at country. melissa: mark, is there aniable positive way to spin this for the union side? >> of course not. this is union-busting move by lame duck legislature. this i puppet marching to the beat of puppet tease, dick devs of amway who want to hurt unions. melissa: did they succeed? is there a way to battle back. >> of course we have ability to or
so is this the end for unions? joining me now is the the director of labor policy at mack kin gnaw center, who has been at the protests site all day. we have mark brenner, director of labor notes. vinnie, what do you make of what went on today? >> melissa, thanks for having me on. it is absolutely historic. you're talking about the state with the 52-week highest perntage of union members in the country. the birthplace ofhe uaw. for what has been long considered a union strong hold, giving...
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i still belong to one and i like the union." but this discredits the entire union movement. it is criminal activity, it is stupid, it is destructive to the reputation of the union, destructive to workers. ronald reagan was a union leader, a proud one. the screen actors' guild. i don't think he would con cone this and neither should the democratic party today. >> no one is condoning the violence but no one is saying these nonrepresentative extreme people represent the entire labor people. i think these are be a bore rags. >> what did we see in wisconsin. >> and we should condemn it on the left and the right. we are consistent on that. >> lanny, they inveighed the legislator of wisconsin shouting and hollering when from the balconies. if conservatives did that in the u.s. capitol, they would go to jail. >> i think they would both be wrong and i agree with you it hurts the labor union. as a pro labor democrat that's correct kind ever activity doesn't persuade undecided people. it turns off those people. so are they are hurting the labor movement by that kind of action. >> thank
i still belong to one and i like the union." but this discredits the entire union movement. it is criminal activity, it is stupid, it is destructive to the reputation of the union, destructive to workers. ronald reagan was a union leader, a proud one. the screen actors' guild. i don't think he would con cone this and neither should the democratic party today. >> no one is condoning the violence but no one is saying these nonrepresentative extreme people represent the entire labor...
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unions. since the elections of 2010 we have seen this in indiana and wisconsin. republicans tried to do that in ohio too. and voters repealed the anti-union law by 22 points. today republicans succeeded in taking away union rights. they succeeded in weakening unions in the cradle of american labor, in michigan, in walter reuther's home. it didn't even take them all that long. >> mr. speaker, i have a question of final passage of senate bill 116. there are 58 aye votes and 52 nay. >> having voted for, the bill is passed. >> the michigan legislature today finished what they started out of the blue last week. they passed a pair of bills to take union rights away from public employees, and this is important, from workers in the private sector. you can see the reaction from supporters of union rights today at the capitol. more than 10,000 people gathered on the lawn outside. they say the protests today in michigan the largest the state has ever seen. the bills weaken unions in michigan by making i
unions. since the elections of 2010 we have seen this in indiana and wisconsin. republicans tried to do that in ohio too. and voters repealed the anti-union law by 22 points. today republicans succeeded in taking away union rights. they succeeded in weakening unions in the cradle of american labor, in michigan, in walter reuther's home. it didn't even take them all that long. >> mr. speaker, i have a question of final passage of senate bill 116. there are 58 aye votes and 52 nay. >>...